Interesting Godspeed Arm Failure

[Def]

Trust me, you’re the last one I would worry about, as far as an attack, wow that a bit of a bold claim? I made a comment, not an attack… I made the comment because in every post where people use non Def approved parts you call them out, yet you approve of some of the worst rubbish on the market when you replace the sphericals with another Chinese brand? Makes a whole bunch of sense

You sure do like to generalize. The whole Godspeed arm thing was just an easy and relatively cheap way to correct the roll center up front.

As far as suggesting parts that work, I do that to help people out. There's definitely other stuff that works out there than the stuff I've used and had work, but I also try to help people out. You still seem to be beyond butthurt that I said your Megan tie rod ends are "dangerous" - which was my experience with them (completely worn out and running out of travel within 1k miles), I was just trying to help you out. If you don't want to take my advice, fine. Hope they work out for you.

But anyway, all that is beside the point, as you've proven that you're overly sensitive to the slightest constructive criticism. Which brings us to where we are: you having a chip on your shoulder, and obviously being a complete ass by telling me to "get an education before making retarded comments."

So if all these knock off parts were made in the middle east, which leads you to fathem that they all made in the same factory, does that mean GM, Ford and Mopar North America are all made in the same factory? Because they all use parts made by Valeo, Bher, Hella etc?

Your assumption is incorrect, I know this for a fact, leave it at that.

Why do you keep saying the Middle East? Do you even know what region of the world is actually termed the Middle East? Doesn't seem like it...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Middle_East

I know a few people who work in the aftermarket industry that actually get parts made in China. It's typically one fairly large factory supplying just a few product lines, often under many brand names. Sometimes they even differentiate product lines by quality of the casting etc., but they're all made in the same factory for most parts with a limited market like "suspension arms for a Nissan 240SX."

You trying to apply the logic of how a complicated end item assembly has different components sourced from around the world to a simple item with a few components maximum, is flawed to say the least.



My "assumption" is not much of one, as I do have quite a bit of first hand experience in this area. I would like to hear how you personally know where every S chassis replica Formula-Ikeya FLCA in the world is manufactured though.

[Def]

I don't think Def said anything about the parts being made in the middle east, he said you were a few thousand miles off... meaning China, Taiwan. He simply stated that the "Formula Ikeya arm knockoffs" are all made in the same place not what you are trying to say. It seems that statements are being mis read and misinterpreted incorrectly.

Careful, he'll probably tell you to "get an education" next. hahaha

[Rezlo]

You still seem to be beyond butthurt that I said your Megan tie rod ends are "dangerous" - which was my experience with them (completely worn out and running out of travel within 1k miles)

No, actually your comment to me about Megan was:

Be careful with those Megan tie rods. They have about half the articulation angle of stock ball joints and you run a big risk of snapping the cheap steel shank with any binding.

Which I posted an image proving your point rather incorrect after listening to your 2c and ordering a set of SPL, your reply was a “Ohh they must have updated them” odd because ive been selling them for MANY years now, all identical

But anyway, all that is beside the point, as you've proven that you're overly sensitive to the slightest constructive criticism.

Touché

Why do you keep saying the Middle East? Do you even know what region of the world is actually termed the Middle East? Doesn't seem like it...

Did you not reply with “I'm sure all of the knockoff parts we're talking about were all made in the Middle East” but anyways please remember the entire world does not revolve around the USA. To Africa, Europe and most other area’s the West is the US, and the East, is well, think about it… but I do agree, this can be confusing, I apologise, I meant China, Taiwan (maybe you call that the west ;-) )

I know a few people who work in the aftermarket industry that actually get parts made in China.

It's typically one fairly large factory supplying just a few product lines, often under many
I would like to hear how you personally know where every S chassis replica Formula-Ikeya FLCA in the world is manufactured though.

I don’t know where EVERY s-chassis replica control arm is made, but I have been to quite a FEW factories where such parts are made during business trips to support my import business I have been running for over a decade, thus I said to you, I know for a fact they not all made in one factory, and there is a GREAT deal of quality difference from company to company. This general slam Chinese products is a bit old now, especially when you consider some of the better branded US SX stuff uses all Chinese sub components.

Again Def, this is not a personal attack against you…

[Matt93SE]

To Africa, Europe and most other area’s the West is the US, and the East, is well, think about it… but I do agree, this can be confusing, I apologise, I meant China, Taiwan (maybe you call that the west ;-) )

Asia = the 'far east' for us, usually simply lumped together as Asia. the middle east is all of the weirdos with bombs area. Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. stay away!!!

[Rezlo]

ha ha, and Libya is due North from me, again, apologies, I meant Asia

[PerilousActs]

Man, I feel like i'm on Zilvia around here today between some of these threads. :x

[Def]

I don’t know where EVERY s-chassis replica control arm is made, but I have been to quite a FEW factories where such parts are made during business trips to support my import business I have been running for over a decade, thus I said to you, I know for a fact they not all made in one factory, and there is a GREAT deal of quality difference from company to company. This general slam Chinese products is a bit old now, especially when you consider some of the better branded US SX stuff uses all Chinese sub components.

Again Def, this is not a personal attack against you…

The Megan Tie Rod ends I got had different rod ends than the ones you posted. I bought them new back in '07ish, and that's the information I was going with. I told you the ones you posted were different, I was only trying to help you with telling you to make sure you had articulation angle, as I've seen a few cars at the track have snapped tie rod ends that didn't have enough articulation.

I don't know why you'd think I'd be against Chinese made parts. Lots of the stuff on my car is made in China. I judge on engineering merit.

Well good for the Chinese that they've spread the production out for the small amount of S chassis FLCA they must sell each year. I stand corrected on that. I was going off information from people who have been there and done that as well.



Anyway, this thread is beyond off topic, and it's not helping anybody. I suggest we just let it drop. No harm no foul.

[Matt93SE]

ha ha, and Libya is due North from me, again, apologies, I meant Asia

heh.. Geography fail for me. I was under the assumption that Libya was in the middle of the whackos in the ---stan countries. not far from it, but yeah, definitely in Africa once I look at the map.

[mmdb]

Man, I feel like i'm on Zilvia around here today between some of these threads. :x

Ditto. Though some have migrated here recently. Guess road racing and building a well developed track car is the new thing... but with cheaper parts. bet I wouldn't see any of the guys on the track though hehe.

Anyway, I'm interested in getting some arms made. There's a set of these front and rear arms on the "for sale" section I was thinking about picking up to be used to be used for mock up to be redeveloped here in the states by a competent fabricator with all the certifications to tig weld etc.

Now, what would you guys like to see in a new/copied USA developed part? It will be damn strong for starters. Would the dimensions need to be changed? I would like to play with the front track width a bit so a bit of lengthening would be nice right?

[veilside180sx]

Ditto. Though some have migrated here recently. Guess road racing and building a well developed track car is the new thing... but with cheaper parts. bet I wouldn't see any of the guys on the track though hehe.

Anyway, I'm interested in getting some arms made. There's a set of these front and rear arms on the "for sale" section I was thinking about picking up to be used to be used for mock up to be redeveloped here in the states by a competent fabricator with all the certifications to tig weld etc.

Now, what would you guys like to see in a new/copied USA developed part? It will be **** strong for starters. Would the dimensions need to be changed? I would like to play with the front track width a bit so a bit of lengthening would be nice right?

I'm already working on some.=)

[mmdb]

oh nice! pix?

[Def]

I'm already working on some.=)

Are they going to have beast swaybar mounts?

[Matt93SE]

Stupid Q... what happened to SPL's arms?

[Def]

Stupid Q... what happened to SPL's arms?

Just rebadged NAMS arms - you can probably still get them, but will get raped on the exchange rate.

Plus they were never really that special, and not worth the price IMO.

[e1_griego]

I asked if they were going to offer them again was told that they would be coming out with a new flca sometime this year.