More camber plate questions

[e1_griego]

So my t3 plates seem to have cooked the bearings after 5 months and 18 autox runs. The LF has enough vertical play that it clunks slightly. RF is about a half-step behind.

I called t3 this morning and the guy told me that the way I have it set up kills the bearings.

I have vorshlag tophats and then a bushing on top of the snout that goes on top and the pillowball rests directly on that. Guy at T3 told me I need to set it up so the spring tophat (bought new ones from T3 since they were cheap) rests on the yellow part of the camber plates, otherwise the bearings die. Bought replacement yellow housings/bearings too.

I'm guessing I'm supposed to set it like this (disregard caption):





Are these just weaker bearings, or did I assemble it incorrectly? Also, I figure the articulation was important... is it less than I'm envisioning?

I think Cody is running these as well, and I already sent him a PM. Not sure who else has these.

[Def]

Articulation is important. My cheap deluboz plates are fine with all the load going to the spherical bearing (although the T3 bearing is a bit undersized for no real reason). Running the hat up against the plate puts a ton of load on your strut shaft.

You can try a metal race bearing to get more shock loading since that bearing doesn't really move that much. Pretty sure they're just COM-10 bearing sizes (double check OD and race thickness to verify!).

[e1_griego]

Yeah, that's what I thought...

Guess I'll sell these off and try to find something else.

Ground control camber plates?

edit: so I'm supposed to run it like this (according to t3 guy)? http://www.nissanroadracing.com/show...0&postcount=41

[Def]

Yea, something like that.


Maybe I just need to design up some camber plates...

[OnTheChip]

The top spring perch needs to be fastened to the shaft, spaced far enough below the bottom of the camber plate/bearing carrier, so they don't touch throughout the full motion of the suspension.

Dave

[AceInHole]

Yea, something like that.


Maybe I just need to design up some camber plates...

Dibs on prototypes.

[e1_griego]

Deluboz doesn't sell plates any more.

Probably going to just sell the t3s with all the new stuff, and then buy GC.

http://www.ground-control-store.com/products/description.php/II=846/CA=97

[veilside180sx]

GC's sit how the guy at T^3 is describing, but that have a greased rounded surface to allow articulation.

[e1_griego]

Well I bought the t3 upper plates that have the needle bearing on the top, but I really would like keep using the vorshlags.

Why is this so hard....

Def. please make something with teh quickness and send to me.

[2Fass240us]

Def ... quickness

i LAWLed

srsly tho, there is a market need. I think.

[CodyAce]

I'm also confused here, as I have the Vorshlag top on the bearing itself....



...so with that said, my setup is wrong? I mean I've driven on them quite a bit without an issue...not saying it's right, as now I'm worried Are you saying something should sit against that metal plate?

[e1_griego]

t3 says it should.

Everyone else says no.

I'm going with no.

Though you said you haven't had any probs, so maybe just bad batch of bearings? /optimism.

[McCoy]

Cody, the way you have it will work, but it is not idea... the best way to describe it is to find an older thread and copy/paste.

The big issue with putting the spring loads directly to the camber plate is that you are creating a bending stress on the strut just from compressing the spring since things will only line up perpendicularly for a very brief moment of travel. For every other section of travel you will be loading the strut up in bending before you even talk about cornering loads. Even the cheap Taiwanese coilovers got that part right...

Here is how I have mine currently.

[e1_griego]

edit: found a pic of my setup (thank you me-from-6-months-ago)

[CodyAce]

See I'm still not understanding the differences between what I've done, and the above excamples. I have the following

Centering bushing
T3 Plate/Bearing
spacer bushing (between teh t3 bearing and the top of the vorshlag mount)
vorshlag mount
spring
etc etc

How could that be wrong, when it's how so many are setup?