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    So I recently purchased a set of kw clubsport coilovers and to my dismay I found that deluboz parts discontinued their s14 front camber plates. After doing a little searching and a recommendation from another member I ended up buying a set of techno toy tuning front camber plates. I have since been informed that a spacer should be used to prevent the bottom of the camber plate body from riding on the top hat. I was wondering what width spacer I should use? I've already visited mcmaster carr's online store and they appear to stock female unthreaded spacers in various lengths widths and diameters. My second question is if anyone knows of any reasonably priced low stack height aftermarket rear upper mounts compatible with kw rear shocks? I did a bunch of searching to no avail. Is there anyone else here running kw variant 3's with t3 plates? I've heard of a few people using stock upper mounts, but they are a bit pricey from Nissan...

    Questions:
    What width spacer should I use to separate camber plates from top hats?

    Can anyone recommend aftermarket rear upper pillow ball mounts that fit kw variant 3 / clubsports?

  • #2
    did you get v3 or clubsport? The clubsport are supposed to come with camber plates.

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    • #3
      sorry for the delayed reply. The coilovers are buried under junk in my garage. I'll dig them out tomorrow when it isn't 30 degrees outside and verify the serial numbers. I'm still waiting on my front camber plates as well.

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      • #4
        Tein camber plates will be the most economical.

        When I checked the KW camberplates wholesale is $300 PER corner! They are quality units though.

        For my S13 V3's I purchased the AST camberplates from Vorshlag.

        Fronts are $380/pair, rears are $230/pair. Spherical bearings in each are 18mm/0.708" ID. Thread pitch on the top nuts for the fronts are M10-1.25. Both sets are made for 10mm shafts but we can modify them if needed.

        The fronts have a sealed torrington style plastic bearing on the spring hat and the rears have the springs co-axially mounted. Also, on the front the camber adjuster allen bolts are flush mounted allowing you to get full negative camber adjustment.





        S14 Clubsport PDF - http://www.kw-gmbh.de/kw_upload/Einbau/eah35285803.pdf

        Here are the KW V3 measurements I took.
        Dimensions -

        Damper Shaft
        • Front - 22mm / 14mm
        • Rear - 18mm / 10mm


        Camber Plate Bearing Size (Front and Rear):
        • Damper Rod OD = 0.551" x 0.35" High
        • Camber Plate Monoball ID = 0.552" with a stack height of 0.35" on the damper shaft where top hat sits.


        Pretty much any camberplate will work with the KW damper rods but you may have to have inserts to match the damper rod OD to the camber plate monoball ID made to get them to work together.
        The Nerd shall inherit the podium for knowledge is power.

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        • #5
          Those rear mounts have a huge stack height... and are pretty expensive to boot.

          The Tein front plates are garbage - stack height is too high for the front of our cars.
          '18 Chevrolet Volt - Electric fun hatch for DD duty!


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          • #6
            Stack height in the rear of the S14 isn't so critical as they are stuffed so far up in the chassis you'll still have plenty of travel. What is more important is the top hat is mounted in line with the damper rod instead of the spring resting directly on chassis mounted camber plate like Tein does.

            The front stack height is about as compact as you'll get with a torrington bearing (it adds about 5mm to 10mm from memory) between the spring hat and the monoball without resorting to an 'on the top' of the strut tower mounting.



            The Nerd shall inherit the podium for knowledge is power.

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            • #7
              I'm still curious as to why hasn't anyone else come up with an enclosed Torrington bearing style top hat, or at least lower spring perch?

              It's almost 2011, and within the last year, Def has single handedly pretty much came up with solutions to make our cars badass without breaking the bank, and these cars came out in like, what, 1989?

              From like, 2002, when the last S-chassis were phased out by Nissan, to like, early part of 2010, there were almost like no development for any S-chassis parts that were functional and cheap.

              WTF?!

              Is Def like the S-chassis Jesus?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Umai Kakudo View Post
                Stack height in the rear of the S14 isn't so critical as they are stuffed so far up in the chassis you'll still have plenty of travel. What is more important is the top hat is mounted in line with the damper rod instead of the spring resting directly on chassis mounted camber plate like Tein does.

                The front stack height is about as compact as you'll get with a torrington bearing (it adds about 5mm to 10mm from memory) between the spring hat and the monoball without resorting to an 'on the top' of the strut tower mounting.



                Torrington bearings are about 3-4 mm thick depending on if you use two hardened washers or one.

                I agree the rear of the S14 isn't stack height critical, but if you're using a damper length designed for a low stack height plate and then you put something over an inch thicker on there, you're going to have problems.

                The fronts are important enough to try to reduce the stack height at whatever the cost.
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                DefSport Koni Sleeve and Spring Perch Buy!!!
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                • #9
                  def...single handedly...ha ha ha
                  I am SKULLWORKS

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tower240sx View Post
                    def...single handedly...ha ha ha
                    Whatever son, the buttons I press in CATIA carry way more street cred than the buttons you press on CNC machines. Just accept reality.
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                    • #11
                      lol I'll accept it as soon as you press the right buttons
                      I am SKULLWORKS

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Tower240sx View Post
                        lol I'll accept it as soon as you press the right buttons
                        Hey hey hey, I think there have been a few "machining whoops" done as well!
                        '18 Chevrolet Volt - Electric fun hatch for DD duty!


                        DefSport Koni Sleeve and Spring Perch Buy!!!
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                        • #13
                          Whatever Def and Tower have done on a CNC mill, I did 10 years ago in the garage with a jigsaw and scrap metal.




                          Originally posted by SoSideways
                          I don't care what color they are as long as they are LONG AND HARD.
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                          • #14
                            I think the caliper brackets are the most modest things we've made... but I'll await your FEA analysis of that sweet bracket with eagerness.
                            '18 Chevrolet Volt - Electric fun hatch for DD duty!


                            DefSport Koni Sleeve and Spring Perch Buy!!!
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                            • #15
                              8 years, 100k miles of street + track driving a 3800lb car without failure enough FEA for ya?
                              Originally posted by SoSideways
                              I don't care what color they are as long as they are LONG AND HARD.
                              '04 G35 Sedan 6MT- The DD
                              '96 240SX- The Track Toy

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